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Replace GPs with nurses to boost appointments by 50 per cent, says GMS architect

Last post 08-26-2008 19:00 by vanda playford. 24 replies.
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  • 03-13-2008 11:41 In reply to

    Re: Replace GPs with nurses to boost appointments by 50 per cent, says GMS architect

    It is a little sad that this has got the nursing and medical professions insulting each other again.  Doctors that comment seem to be unaware of the highly qualified and experienced nurse practitioners who are out there and provide excellent care, these nurses are not likely to ask advice a million times a day but only when they are aware in is beyond their scope (knowing what their limitations are and when to ask surely is the sign of a safe practitioner be it a doctor or a nurse).  I would support the idea we are supposed to work in partnership, if we could stop this maligning of each others professions, make an effort to understand each others roles and work together we could present a united front.  With all the recent criticism and forced change in primary care surely this is what we should be doing

  • 03-16-2008 18:36 In reply to

    Re: Replace GPs with nurses to boost appointments by 50 per cent, says GMS architect

    I am a GP and have highest regard for nurses, senior and juinor for what they do day in day out.

    Doctors and nurses area unit and team, and mostly work as a team. What this gentleman is suggesting is replacing GPs with nurses today. I am sure he has more dynamic plans for CHANGES in the future where he would advocate replacing Psychiatrist with Orthopaedic surgeons, Neurologists with Urologists, dermatologists with gastroenterologists and finally REPLACING NURSES WITH COMPUTERS!

     After all he is doing a job to bring about change for the sake of change!

     

    PS yes he will also be replacing the patients with Sicker patients! and thats for sure.

  • 03-20-2008 13:47 In reply to

    Re: RE: Replace GPs with nurses to boost appointments by 50 per cent, says GMS architect

    Get over yourself ! No one is suggesting for a minute that nurses are doctors believe me I am well aware of the nurses place! ( we're told often enough and is also reflected in our salary) I think that sniping remarks like this negates the most important thing which is us working as a team! I have a diploma in nursing, two degrees, just completing non medical prescribing and am starting an MSc in practitioning this year I think I know my limits for safe practice and I doubt I need to ask a million things. Lay off the nurses we're supposed to support each other!!! 

  • 04-08-2008 13:49 In reply to

    Replace GPs with nurses to boost appointments by 50 per cent, says GMS architect

    Is it not already appening? I see nurses prescribing most drugs, receptionists checking blood pressure and doing medications review, pharmacist managing chronic illnesess. What I find amazing is how nurses and reception staff accept these extra-duties without pushing for a drastic pay raise. This is the end-point. NICE guidelines and local guidelines are somehow restricting to the minimum the margins of action of healthcare providers. A MD degree sometime feels as "excessive" when compared to the duties you're called to. The role of the doctors has been redesigned not by the patients, but by the policy makers. Are we going to accept that? This is entirily up to us. No one ever said that NHS is the only way forward and the GMC should possibly attempt to regain the power and indipendance that I feel may be slowly loosing.

    E Cervoni, M.D.
  • 04-10-2008 10:33 In reply to

    Re: Replace GPs with nurses to boost appointments by 50 per cent, says GMS architect

    Hi i am a nurse practitioner in Barnsley - I am currently triaging and then complement this with running MIC - all 10 min appts - However i am applying for the Advanced Nurse practitioner Course at Huddersfiels Uni - Most FCP i know run 10 min apps - However is fair to expect Gps or nurse to just have 10 min appts - There are fantastic Gps I know who are out there and are running behind with their surgeries as they have a full systemic approach and do not want to miss anything - but at the end of the day pts do not complain as they get a fantastic service / same goes for nurses- what happened to caring also ?

    I believe - FCP cannot replace gps - where I work though we cannot recruit Gps - therefore SHA is paying for nurses to do advanced course - This is something I enjoy - I have been in nursing now for 20 yrs and I do believe that yes things have changed - Not always for the better - but we have to embrace change and try daily to do our best for the pts - with the resources we have.

     

    A good practitioner will always ask ! if they are unsure - Gp or Nurse -

     

    regards Andrea Parkin

  • 04-10-2008 10:38 In reply to

    Re: Replace GPs with nurses to boost appointments by 50 per cent, says GMS architect

    A good practiioner will always ask if they are unsure about anything !! Dr or Nurse !!

    I have 20 yrs Nursing experience and I am currently studying - and will be applying for Advanced Nurse Practitoner - I have critical Care skills - I am Highly trained in triage and minor illnes management -  PLUS YEARS of other nursing experience - Everyone though has to be aware of their limitations and legal implications of thte duties they take on board - Yes some nurses arent very good - However the same can be said of any profession can it not ??

    regards Andrea Parkin Nurse Practitioner / Nurse Manager

  • 07-23-2008 15:22 In reply to

    Re: Replace GPs with nurses to boost appointments by 50 per cent, says GMS architect

    Why not just do away with the concept of Doctors and have all the work done by nurses only? Or better still, get the system that exists in Africa of community workers.

    The GMS architect appears to be going loopy and soft over the years.

     

  • 07-25-2008 10:13 In reply to

    Re: Replace GPs with nurses to boost appointments by 50 per cent, says GMS architect

    Nurses are an essential part of the modern primary care team, but complement rather than replace GPs. I am fed up with the prevailing political view that GP is a job that is easy for a nurse to do following guidelines!! GPs do a very complex job of managing diagnostic uncertainty,balancing the wishes/demands of patients and relatives,costs of investigations and treatment, knowledge of probable outcomes and all the time trying to run to 10min appointments!! Nurses tend to take longer with patients, which all GPs would like to be able  to do, and also investigate more. I seem to recall that research indicates that you would need at least 2 nurses to replace one GP and the cost of this, plus the costs of the investigations done by nurses, means that there are no real savings, and may indeed cost more!

    Please can we shout long and loud that good,high quality,GP is vital for the NHS. We would be better with more resource for other professionals,such as nurses,to share the burden of chronic disease management and other areas  dumped onto primary care from the hospital sector, but I do not think we can afford to lose GPs from primary care. Look at the way money is wasted in countries which do not have robust primary care. Remember any private firm always has directors who want bonuses and shareholders who want dividends, all money that would be lost from direct patient care. Remember,private firms were brought in to "clean" our hospitals............

  • 08-20-2008 17:25 In reply to

    Re: Replace GPs with nurses to boost appointments by 50 per cent, says GMS architect

    Nurse practitioners and prescribers are fine in well-defined situations. Where they will be unlikely to be of any use is in the complex consultation, such as where a patient comes in clutching a list, and at the end usually says, "Oh, by the way, can I have my repeat prescription as well".

     

    John I guess?
  • 08-26-2008 19:00 In reply to

    Re: Replace GPs with nurses to boost appointments by 50 per cent, says GMS architect

    if nurses are trained to do GP work then they become GP's so they should be payed as GP's
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