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Nurses could be struck off for mixing drugs in syringe drivers

Last post 07-22-2008 12:21 by Caryll Coats. 9 replies.
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  • 07-08-2008 14:36

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    Nurses could be struck off for mixing drugs in syringe drivers

    Nurses could be struck off for unwittingly breaching prescribing rules after an NHS watchdog said they were not qualified to mix drugs in syringe drivers, a practice that is common in palliative care.

  • 07-08-2008 14:36 In reply to

    RE: Nurses could be struck off for mixing drugs in syringe drivers

    The whole world has finally gone mad. No patient will be able to stay at home for terminal care as many times there is no easy access to a GP especially out of hours. It is unacceptable that patients might be left suffering all for the want of a signature.

  • 07-09-2008 5:56 In reply to

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    My understanding was nurse independent prescriber's could prescribe 'off label' or 'off licence' taking full clinical and professional responsibility for their prescribing if it was deemed to be best practice.

  • 07-12-2008 7:51 In reply to

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    This is going to prevent patient getting timely pain relief. This is just mad! Mad ! Mad!

  • 07-14-2008 9:52 In reply to

    RE: Nurses could be struck off for mixing drugs in syringe drivers

    It is common Knowledge that independant nurse prescribers cannot prescribe unliscenced medications. They CAN however prescribe liscenced medicines for an unliscenced use that is 'off label'. All of the drugs used in palliative care, especially the liverpool care pathway drugs, are liscensed drugs. It is accepted practice that many drugs used in palliative care are prescribed in an 'off label' fashion. If a nurse prescriber has decided that they are happy to prescribe drugs for off lable use in this way, then the question to ask is 1) are these drugs compatable in the syringe, or 2) are there likely interactions of these drugs. Once everything is taken into account, a risk/benefit assessment is done and the nurse should then be able to prescribe if they feel able to do so having full responsibility and taking full accountability for the prescribing decisions that they make. So, it would be useful to get some guidence quickly from both the NMC and RCN in order to inform us what the actual situation is. This kind of article in Independant Nurse is not particularly useful because it is scare mongering and leads to alterrations in practice that are to the detreiment of patients.

  • 07-14-2008 13:48 In reply to

    RE: Nurses could be struck off for mixing drugs in syringe drivers

    How can you possibly be struck off for using the education skills and knowledge, and working within limitations as stated in Nursing Code of Conduct? It's time to stop threatening these highly skilled nurses working in specialist areas. If they aren't qualified to make this decision a GP without a particular knowledge base won't be either

  • 07-16-2008 20:07 In reply to

    Re: Nurses could be struck off for mixing drugs in syringe drivers

    HCR:

     

    Nurses could be struck off for unwittingly breaching prescribing rules after an NHS watchdog said they were not qualified to mix drugs in syringe drivers, a practice that is common in palliative care.

    Is this a devious ploy by dignity in dying to make terminal care in the community almost impossible ????
  • 07-17-2008 15:52 In reply to

    RE: Nurses could be struck off for mixing drugs in syringe drivers

    I am currently undertaking the non-medical prescribing course. I work in Out of Hours in Lincolnshire. Many of our patients are palliative and need syringe drivers either commencing or changing in the out of hours period. This is certainly very worrying. 1. Granted once qualified as a non-medical prescriber I could prescribe the individual drugs and administer one off doses. However, this is far from ideal for patients, particularly over a long bank holiday weekend as we cover a large rural area and might not be able to respond in a timely manner, to the palliative cases if we are on other visits, when the next stat dose is due. 2. It would be almost impossible to sort out CMPs for each and every palliative patient covered by our service due to the sheer numbers of patients, number of GP practices we cover, the number of non-medical prescribers that work in our service and would therefore need to sign a CMP for each patient, the distances we cover and the fact that we work when everyone else is not. Although we have good links with the surgeries and are informed when patients reach the palliative stage patients would, I fear, slip through the net and not have a CMP in place when needed. 3. Finally how are we affected if a GP (either the patient's own or one of on duty in the Out of Hours Service) prescribes the drug(s) and we or our community nursing colleagues add the drugs to the syringe driver? I agree with the above comments that the world has gone mad and that palliative patients will not be able to be cared for effectively at home. How does this fit in with the Governments plans mentioned this week in the news that palliative patients can choose where they want to die?

  • 07-21-2008 8:55 In reply to

    RE: Nurses could be struck off for mixing drugs in syringe drivers

    The GP in community cases prescribes the drugs and fills in The 'blue card'. The GP takes the ultimate responsibility and hence cases should always be discussed in this situation

  • 07-22-2008 12:21 In reply to

    RE: Nurses could be struck off for mixing drugs in syringe drivers

    I do think the heading is very misleading and has in my experience already caused unnecessary patient suffering, because on more than one occasion district nurses refused to set up a syringe driver containing more than one drug, despite the fact that it was prescribed by a doctor. It is also extremely inappropriate that patients will not receive the medications they need to relieve suffering at the end of life, when in fact there is adequate information and guidance in palliative care literature as to which drugs can be mixed in a syringe driver. Nurse prescribers act within their field of competence and are always covered by a doctor's advice, and by best practice guidelines of their particular specialty- in this case, palliative care.

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